I received the following question:
Thank you for the reply.May I ask you questions about the bible please?
If God transmitted the message to the author of kings,whom did the author of kings transmit the message of God to?Is there a chain of narration/transmission?If so,who are they?What are their names?and can I trace it back to the author of king?
for example if u have seen me u have seen the father.Just because it is written in the bible does NOT necessarily mean Jesus said the verse. john 7:53 and john 8:1 to 11
jesus did NOT say these words written in this reference because this story is NOT in codex vaticanus nor codex sinaiticus
so just because John 7:53 and 8:1 to 11 are in the bible does NOT necessarily mean jesus said those words
Please prove to me that Jesus really said if u have seen me u have seen the father.if u say it is written in codex sinaiticus i say there are about 300 years between jesus and the codex
if u say early church fathers said that jesus said so
which early church father said that jesus said the verse?
Trace it back from the church father to Jesus.
r u 100% sure that jesus really said the verse?
please prove to me that jesus really really said this verse.
Yes, you may ask me questions about the Bible. I will answer as I have time.
Books like Kings were probably written in what I call “chronicle style,” that is, one prophet wrote part of the book, and then passed it on to a succeeding, younger prophet, who continued the book, and then passed it on to another, younger prophet, who continued it, etc. We see an example of this in I Chronicles 29:29, where the book of Samuel is referred to.
29. Now the acts of King David, first and last, indeed they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,
Here, what we call the books of 1 and 2 Samuel are called “the book of Samuel the seer, the book of Nathan the prophet, and the book of Gad the seer.” (What we call two books were really one book in the Hebrew original.) This shows us that Samuel started it, passed it off to Nathan and he continued it, and then passed it off to Gad, who finished it. Samuel dies partway through 1 Samuel, so obviously he did not finish the book. No doubt Gad, being the last prophet to touch the book, finished it off and put it into its final form.
I do not believe we have a statement about Kings that gives us a nice list of authors like this, but I have no doubt but that this book was written in the same manner as Samuel.
I think you are rather oversimplifying textual criticism if you think that a passage not being found in the Codex Sinaiticus or Codex Vaticanus means that it must not be genuine. John 7:53 to 8:11 is found in the Vulgate, and Jerome testified that it was found in many ancient Greek and Latin copies. It is found in the Jerusalem Syriac of the 5th century. It is found in the Memphitic and the Aethiopic from the 3rd or 4th centuries. Eusebius in the 4th century quotes Papias from the second century as referring to it. Ambrose and Augustine from the 4th and 5th centuries quote from it.
You are asking something rather ridiculous if you are pointing me to a particular verse and demanding that I prove to you that Jesus actually said this verse. There is no open-and-shut “proof” of anything in history that you were not personally present to witness. I cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Roman Empire ever existed and was not just a massive hoax. What one must do is take the historical evidence and see if it leads to the conclusion that a thing is genuine or not. The more the historical evidence and the greater the variety of evidence brought forward, the more reliable we can say the history is. Yet there is no “scientific” proof of anything. I cannot demonstrate in a laboratory that any of my dead ancestors ever lived.
Yet the manuscript evidence for the Bible is huge. It was already known and in use by the second century, which puts it back very close to the first century. It claims to have been written, as in the case of John, by eye-witnesses, and there is no real reason to doubt that testimony. Certainly those in ancient times did not doubt this. The only reason to call it into doubt now is lack of faith. Tell me, friend, are you a follower of Christ, or do you hold with some other religion?