owie02I received the following question:

My (in-law) is from a Catholic background and from all indications is a Christian (but still has strong Catholic ties).  She believes in complete healing for today (if one has enough faith) even though there is plenty of evidence to the contrary!  I never know how to respond to her comments. (She sent me the article below.)

http://www.savedhealed.com/healing.htm

It is not unusual at all for people to use the Bible this way. When people suffer from illness, they grasp at anything that might give them hope of healing. If the doctors cannot find a solution, then they look to other things, and one is healing ministries. As you say, the problem is that these things do not work. They would like to believe they do, however, and some people will put a whole lot of time and money into healing ministries before they finally figure out for themselves that they do not produce results.

The list of “healing Scriptures” on this website is rather typical of the kind of passages these people will try to use to support what they are doing. It is quite a comprehensive list, so I do not know if I will try to answer every single one of these passages, but I will start at the beginning and explain what I believe about these things.

Acts 5:16. Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed.

It is true that all these people were being healed. However, if we would examine the four verses before this verse, we would see that there is something the “saved-healed” people are leaving out by quoting just this single verse.

12. And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon’s Porch. 13. Yet none of the rest dared join them, but the people esteemed them highly. 14. And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women, 15 so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them.

From these verses, we learn that it was “through the hands of the apostles” that these wonders were being done among the people. Very inconvenient for the saved-healed people if they have no apostle handy as part of their ministry! We learn that none of the rest dared to join the apostles in this! (But the saved-healed people dare.) Finally, it was Peter, one of the twelve, whose shadow produced the miraculous healings verse 16 speaks of. Are these people claiming to be equal to Peter?

Next, in commenting on this verse, they mentioned Hebrews 13:8, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” They claim this means that since He healed all the sick yesterday, He must still do the same thing today. They seldom notice that if they tried to apply this to Christ at the time He was on earth, one would then have had to wonder why He did not seem to heal yesterday, since many people died in Old Testament times without healing. One also has to wonder why this verse should only apply to healing. Was not Jesus Christ “yesterday” a babe in a manger in Bethlehem? If He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, does that mean that He is still a babe in a manger in Bethlehem?

The actual idea behind this phrase is that Jesus Christ’s essential nature and character are always the same. He is always good, always gracious, always righteous, always pure, etc. We human beings might change in character. One who was once a sweet person might have things happen in her life which would cause her to become angry and embittered. Yet this is not true of Jesus Christ. He is already everything He ever could or should be. Being perfection, He cannot change for the better, nor will He ever change for the worse. He then is always essentially the same. Yet this does not mean that He cannot do different things at different times. I can do different activities at work than I do at home, yet this does not mean that I have changed in nature or character, or that my activities in either place are contrary to who I am. This is the idea of this verse. It does not mean that once He started to heal, He can never stop.

Hebrews 7:22,25. by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant…. 25. Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

It is true that the Greek word sozo can mean both “saved” or “healed,” that is, saved from an illness. They try then to make out that this means that the word always carries both meanings when it appears in Scripture. However, this is not correct. Just because a word can mean two different things does not mean that it means both in every context. For example, I can “throw a ball.” Either I am tossing a round object, or I am hosting a formal party at my house, but this does not mean both at the same time. Moreover, if “saved” always meant “healed” as well, then it should seem obvious that all “saved” people would already be “healed.” Why then would there be any need for believing in healing, or for the “saved-healed” website?

Acts 13:38. Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39. and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

This is an excellent verse, and they say some good things about it. Of course, they are ignoring the fact that we were never trying to be justified by the law of Moses (Paul was speaking to Jews.) However, what they have to say is mostly good. At the end, though, they throw in the idea that this also has to do with the body, trying to get back to their saved-healed idea.

Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

This was true, but only at the time Paul was writing this. When Paul wrote this, Romans 8:2 was true, “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.” If this was still true, then why do people who believe like the saved-healed people do ever die at all? We should have some people who have lived for centuries because they have been set free from the law of sin and death. In fact, if this were still true, then why is Paul himself not still alive today? It is clear that the law of sin and death was only rescinded for a time, and that their mortal bodies went back to dying, just like everyone else. This is clear from Paul’s books written after Romans, wherein Paul could not heal Epaphroditus (Philippians 2:25-30,) and wherein he gave Timothy advice to take medicine for his bad stomach (I Timothy 5:23).

II Corinthians 4:10-11. always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. 11. For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.

II Corinthians 4 is talking about and justifying the ministries of Paul and his fellow apostles. To apply this to all believers today is simply not correct.

Matthew 6:9-10. In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10. Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

The argument is that no one is sick in heaven (how do they know this?), and so God’s will should be done on earth as well in healing. My question then is: is God’s will being done in everything else on earth as well? Is every war, every crime, every rape, every instance of child abuse, and so forth, God’s will being done on earth as it is in heaven? It may be true that it is not God’s will for us to be sick, but it is clear that God’s will is not currently being done in earth in many, many things, including in our health.

Deuteronomy 11:21. that your days and the days of your children may be multiplied in the land of which the LORD swore to your fathers to give them, like the days of the heavens above the earth.

The land being spoken of is the land of Israel, and the fathers are the fathers of Israel. There is no reason for those of us who are not descended from the father and who are not living in the Promised Land to expect that any of the promises made to those people at that time will be fulfilled in our lives. That is like me demanding a woman love, honor, and cherish me, because I heard her tell another man she would do that for him in her wedding vows. If I argued that I overheard her say that, so she should do that for me, is that a legitimate argument? Yet that is the kind of argument the saved-healed people are making here.

Deuteronomy 7:15. And the LORD will take away from you all sickness, and will afflict you with none of the terrible diseases of Egypt which you have known, but will lay them on all those who hate you.

At least this time they acknowledge that this promise was made to Israel, not to us. Yet their argument is largely an emotional one, not a factual one. Consider that the new covenant is made with the exact same people the old one was made with, according to Hebrews 8:8: “Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—”

Romans 8:32. He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?

Their argument is again emotional. When will He give us these things? Is it really in this life, or in the life to come?

Mark 16:17-18. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18. they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Though some may try to deny it, it is clear that these signs do not follow those who believe today. This statement is based on the commission of Mark 16:15: “And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.” The signs were given as God’s part of backing up this commission. Verse 20 of this very chapter confirms that they completed the commission they were given. “And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.” So they did their part, and the Lord did His part with the signs. Colossians 1:23 states even more clearly that this commission was fulfilled. “if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.” This verse states that this gospel was, past tense, preached to every creature under heaven. This fulfilled the commission of Mark 16. At this point, a new work of God began, one that did not include the signs of Mark 16. To try to resurrect these signs today is a futile exercise. They do not follow those who believe, as God is no longer giving them out as He once did.

Isaiah 40:31. “But those who wait on the LORD
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.”

The point the “saved-healed” people are trying to make here seems to be that we should wait on the Lord for healing and He will give it to us. This is not what the verse is saying, however.

Psalm 34:19. “Many are the afflictions of the righteous,
But the LORD delivers him out of them all.”

What about his deathbed? Does the Lord deliver him from that? We have to ask ourselves if deliverance in this life is really what is meant.

Jeremiah 30:17. “‘For I will restore health to you
And heal you of your wounds,’ says the LORD,
‘Because they called you an outcast saying:
“This is Zion;
No one seeks her.”’

The saved-healed people conveniently left the part about “Zion” out of their quotation of this verse. They are not Zion, and they know it. This is talking to a certain city and its people, not to all people.

Isaiah 53:4. “Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5. But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.”

The saved-healed people suggest that this means physical healing, and that it is telling us your healing was paid for at the cross. Well, I don’t know about you, but if I know something has been purchased for me, I usually expect that I will receive it in a timely manner so I will have it when I need it. If God has paid for my physical healing in the here and now, then why didn’t He promptly give it to me upon my believing? Why do I have to beg and plead with Him, or demand receiving it, or bug Him constantly, or all the things that the saved-healed people seem to think I need to do? Is God the kind of dishonest person who would never pay a debt if the person to whom it was owed did not know about it? Do we need to “find Him out” in not paying us what He owes us, and demand He give us what has already been paid for, or else He will try to wiggle out of the deal? This does not make for a very trustworthy picture of God!

Jeremiah 33:6. Behold, I will bring it health and healing; I will heal them and reveal to them the abundance of peace and truth.

This verse is talking about healing a land and a people, Israel, in God’s future kingdom. To apply it to individuals today is simply dishonest.

Matthew 18:19. “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.”

These are the words of Christ to His disciples. He was establishing what was required for a quorum of apostles. These men, Christ’s apostles, had great power that no one else had before or since. To try to apply this to the common, everyday believer of today is just foolish. It is clear that this does not work, and has never worked for anyone today. This does not stop people from foolishly quoting it like it does, however.

Mark 11:24. Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

Christ was speaking to His disciples, men who later became His apostles in the Acts period. The apostles could pray for healing for anyone, and they would get it. The saved-healed people are not apostles, however.

Job 33:24-25. Then He is gracious to him, and says,
‘Deliver him from going down to the Pit;
I have found a ransom’;
25. His flesh shall be young like a child’s,
He shall return to the days of his youth.

Elihu is talking about the restoration of a man from a time of trouble like Job was going through. To apply this to any “healing movement” today is simply misapplication. Healing is not our “birthright,” as this website tries to claim. If that is the case, why is God not providing it for us without our even having to ask for it? He should, if it is our birthright.

Isaiah 58:8. Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
And your righteousness shall go before you;
The glory of the LORD shall be your rear guard.

The fact that this verse is taken out of context is clear. It starts out with “then.” When, we might ask? This shows us right away that the verse needs to be examined more closely.

The LORD had promised Israel that when they kept His law, they would enjoy many blessings, like healing. In this case, Israel was keeping the fast to the LORD, and yet they were oppressing the poor and doing wickedness at the same time. The LORD argues that if they will be merciful to their fellow Israelites, as they are commanded to be, that then they will enjoy their promised blessings. To take these specific words to Israel and act like they promise us healing today is just foolish.

Proverbs 16:24. Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.

Their logic on this one is staggering. The Word of God is pleasant, therefore we can expect healing? How about these two verses:

Proverbs 26:7. Like the legs of the lame that hang limp
Is a proverb in the mouth of fools.
Proverbs 26:9. Like a thorn that goes into the hand of a drunkard
Is a proverb in the mouth of fools.

Psalm 41:3. The LORD will strengthen him on his bed of illness;
You will sustain him on his sickbed.

They make a big deal about the Amplified Bible translation here, but totally ignore whom the “him” is that this is speaking of. Verse 1 tells us it is the one who considers the poor. This is again part of the “deal” God made with Israel. When the powerful took care of the weak, God would bless them with various good things, like health. We have no such deal with God today. Even if we did, the saved-healed people have totally ignored the condition of considering the poor.

I Thessalonians 5:23. Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

It is quite a stretch to try to claim this is talking about physical healing. This verse raises some serious questions, but the suggestion that “wholeness, wellness, and health” is the point is to simply grab the verse for what you want it to say and ignore what it actually says. What about all the people who have already died, like Paul himself the author of this passage, who were therefore not preserved to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ?

I Peter 2:24. who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

If we were already healed physically, then why would anyone need a healing ministry?

Psalm 103:2. Bless the LORD, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:
3. Who forgives all your iniquities,
Who heals all your diseases,

The saved-healed people act like this passage was written by a “believer” in Jesus Christ living today. But in reality, this passage was written by an Israelite living in God’s nation of Israel. They had been promised forgiveness through keeping the law, and health through following the LORD’s precepts. We have not been promised this, and besides, we do not keep the law.

III John 2. Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers.

John was praying for Gaius, not for me. I have prayed this for many people, but my prayer is not always granted.

Jeremiah 17:14. Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed;
Save me, and I shall be saved,
For You are my praise

Jeremiah is talking here about being saved from persecution by his enemies who did not like the message the LORD was giving him. He is not talking about being saved by the blood of Christ, for no one had any idea of that in Jeremiah’s day. It is very clear that the saved-healed people are just quoting verses to prove their point, not because they remotely care what the verses are actually teaching.

James 5:14-15. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

This passage was spoken during the Acts period, when very different conditions prevailed than we experience today. There were many powerful healers, such as Paul himself, who could come to a city and wipe out all illness in the city, at least among believers. Then, the churches were given local healers who could heal any injury a believer might sustain. In this context, there would rarely be any sickness. However, there was a sickness that might come about if one sinned against God’s righteous rules and regulations for the believers. For example, in I Corinthians 11:29 we learn that some people were keeping the Lord’s Passover in an unworthy manner, and verse 30 tells us that some were getting sick because of this, and others were even dying. The same thing was going on among the people James was writing to. Some were committing sins for which they were becoming ill. James instructs those who have done this to call for the elders of the church, who will anoint him with oil and pray for him in the name of the Lord, and their prayer will bring about his healing. Notice that this healing is connected with the forgiveness of his sins. The next verse makes this clear, which the saved-healed people did not quote.

16. Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

The saved-healed people seem to studiously avoid verses that connect illness with sin, even when they are right in the context of the verses they are quoting. John talks about this same thing in I John 5:16.

16. If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.

In the time James and John were writing, which I believe was early in the Acts period, these things were true. However, today, God is dealing with His people totally in grace. He is not bringing illness upon us when we do wrong, even though we might deserve it. The conditions James was talking about simply do not exist.

Exodus 23:25-26. “So you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you. 26. No one shall suffer miscarriage or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days.

They can “Praise God” all they want, but the fact is that the people being spoken to are the Israelites, and the land being spoken of is the land of Israel, the land out of which they were driving “the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites.” These people are guilty of claiming rights they do not have, and claiming part of a covenant that was not made with them. Exodus 19:3-6 makes clear whom the covenant was with.

“Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 4. ‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself. 5. Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’

It is clear that the only people with “covenant rights” are the people who were brought out of Egypt. Yet as Gentiles, we are as closely akin (if not more akin) to the Egyptians as we are to the Israelites. We are not the kingdom of priests. Israel was that. These words could not possibly be spoken to all nations on earth. They were meant for only one nation. As throughout, the saved-healed people are sloppy Bible students.

I Thessalonians 5:8. But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9. For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10. who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

God’s plan for us is to obtain salvation. Our ultimate deliverance is in the life to come. It is just their own wishful thinking when they say that we can obtain deliverance from illness right now. They have backed this up only with sloppy Bible quotations made out of context.

Ezekiel 34:16. “I will seek what was lost and bring back what was driven away, bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong, and feed them in judgment.”

The LORD is talking here about what He will do for Israel in the kingdom of God. The saved-healed people seem to see no context except their own imaginations.

Matthew 18:18. “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

As most such dishonest students do, the saved-healed people have completely ignored the word “you” in this passage. This is a pronoun, a word that stands in for a noun. In order to understand any pronoun, we need to discover its antecedent, or the noun that it is standing in for. In Matthew 18, the antecedent is found in verse 1, the “disciples.” This was a great promise the Lord gave to His disciples. These were men who had the power to speak a word and Ananias and his wife Sapphira fell down dead. They had the power to raise a woman from the dead. They had the power to ask the Lord for confirmation, and He would shake the room where they were gathered. They had power that you and I do not have. Yet they have taken a verse about these apostles, and have plugged themselves in for the pronoun “you,” as if Christ was talking to them! To claim the same authority Christ gave His apostles is simply hubris and arrogance.

John 10:10. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

The Lord is talking about His sheep here, who are the children of Israel. The Lord does give us more abundant life, but this does not mean we have perfect healing. Go back to my previous statement that there are clearly many things in this world that are not the Lord’s will and do not come from Him. The world of Adamkind rebelled against God long ago, and brought many things into this world that were not His will. Sickness is one of them. Yet this does not mean I have the right to demand that God heal me of all my sicknesses. I have just as much right, since my sin is not God’s will and His will is that sin brings death, to demand that He kill me the very next time I sin. This would be helpful toward His will being done on earth as it is in heaven. Should I demand the right to die the moment I sin? This demand would not be granted any more than the other.

Luke 10:19. Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

The Lord gave this authority to seventy of His disciples, not to us. Who do the saved-healed people think they are?

Isaiah 41:10. Fear not, for I am with you;
Be not dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you,
Yes, I will help you,
I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.’

Isaiah is talking (verse 8) to Israel, Jacob, the descendants of Abraham. Not to us.

Isaiah 54:17 No weapon formed against you shall prosper,
And every tongue which rises against you in judgment
You shall condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD,
And their righteousness is from Me,”
Says the LORD.

They apply this to sickness. But it is talking to Israel, and it is talking about their ultimate redemption in God’s kingdom to come. Their bold claims are empty. You can condemn your sickness and demand it leave your body all you want, but you are just going to end up with egg on your face and still sick.

Psalm 102:19-20. For He looked down from the height of His sanctuary;
From heaven the LORD viewed the earth,
20. To hear the groaning of the prisoner,
To release those appointed to death,

Again, this is talking about the kingdom of God to come. The saved-healed people are suggesting that people begin thanking God for a healing that has not happened yet. They seem to hope to manipulate Him into healing them, since if they have already thanked Him for it, how can He help but do it? Sadly for them, God cannot be manipulated in this childish way.

I John 4:4. You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Amen!

I John 5:4. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

The saved-healed people suggest that sickness is of the world, so it has no right to stay in our bodies. Well, good luck convincing it of that. Since sickness is not a person, it is not going to hear you when you tell it things.

Romans 8:31. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

They are trying to drum up excitement so you can start to claim you are healed, even though your body will beg to differ.

I John 4:17. Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

Their argument is that since He is not sick, we should not be either. Well, we are, so what is the problem? Maybe that they are misapplying the verse? I will praise God for many things, but I see little reason to praise Him for a healing that has never happened. I see little good in living in a fantasy world where your problems have already been solved, when in fact they have not been.

I Corinthians 6:15-17. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! 16. Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.” 17. But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

Their argument is that since we are one with Christ, we should not be one with sickness any more than we should be one with a prostitute. Well, I can choose to be one with a prostitute, but sickness comes upon me, like it or not. If it was true that we could not be joined to sickness, why would anyone need to be convinced of it? Shouldn’t it already be true? If healing is my right, they why hasn’t God given it to me already without me asking? Is God the kind of person who withholds rights unless you demand them? A right is not a privilege. If we have this right, He should have immediately given it to us. We have no such imaginary right as they are demanding. I do not think it is very Godly to stomp your foot on the floor and demand God give you what you want right NOW, and you aren’t going to stop demanding until He gives it to you! Again, these people are very childish.

II Peter 1:3-4. as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4. by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

They insist He has given us all things that pertain to life, and this includes healing, so we already have healing. Then, they claim healing is not rooted in how you feel. Are they suggesting that sickness is just a dream, “life is but a dream,” as the song says? The spoil-sport is reality, that still insists I’m sick while I’m busily trying to insist I’m not because I have a RIGHT not to be sick, because the saved-healed people told me so, and misquoted to me a bunch of verses! I am getting tired of this silliness. Let us skip some verses, down to Matthew 7:7-8.

Matthew 7:7.“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

Again, they ignore the word “you.” The antecedent again is the disciples, who had many powers I do not have. In this case, the Lord is talking about asking for gifts of the Holy Spirit. These gifts included healing. But this was a promise to the Lord’s disciples, not to me.

I John 5:14-15. Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.

They had apostles and prophet among them to tell them God’s will, so they could know if they were asking according to it. Our only way of knowing God’s will is through the Bible. I do not believe It promises us healing, in spite of the claims of the saved-healed people. They seem to suggest that the reason you aren’t healed yet is that there is a faith-o-meter, and you have not pegged it out yet. Once you do peg it out, you will get healed. This was never the way healing worked in the Bible.

Skipping down again.

Genesis 6:3. And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

The word for “man” here is Adam. Adam was a very old man at this time, around 810 years old. Others of his children had died before him, but he had not died. Yet the LORD declared that Adam would not remain forever, yet he would have yet another 120 years to live, before he died. Very, very, very few people live to 120 years old total in our day. There are many people out there who believe in healing today. Very, very, very few of them live to 120 years old. The saved-healed people have strongly deluded themselves. They are not going to live this long.

Psalm 90:10. The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;
For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

What they say about this verse is correct, in that it is speaking of the rebellious Israelites in the wilderness. Others did live longer at this time. Yet that does not mean that we are going to live to 120, just because we are people of faith.

We will call it quits there. I think I have dealt with all their basic problems. Their claims are simply empty. What they claim does not work, neither for them, nor for anyone else. They have quoted many Scriptures out of context, claiming as their own promises to Israel, promises for God’s future kingdom, and promises to Christ’s personal disciples. They have mixed up God’s Word for today with God’s work in the Acts period, which was different from what He is doing today. They have made many claims that do not match with reality. If what they claim was true, the people they are writing to would already have perfect healing, and would not need to waste time reading their website. Ultimately, they are trying to get God to fulfill promises that were never made to them, or that were not made for the present time. God will not be forced into doing anything this way. We can pray and ask God to graciously heal us. He may do this. Yet He may not. We have no right to throw a tantrum and demand anything, like they suggest. This is just arrogant and childish. What God gives us is His choice. We have no “right” to healing.

I pray this helps.

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